Comments on: Microsoft and PHP http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/ Lint I find in my mind's belly-button. Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:47:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: benivolent http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65260 benivolent Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:59:18 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65260 It would be interesting to see who choose linux for stability rather than performance. Stability and performance are two different topics..... It would be interesting to see who choose linux for stability rather than performance. Stability and performance are two different topics…..

]]> By: dvaknheo http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65173 dvaknheo Fri, 15 May 2009 06:25:15 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65173 I write a Template Engine by PHP call TagFeather. and, run it in Linux+Apache( DreamHost ). It Crash! But In My local develop machine as Windows XP + Apache , It Work. it's Windows is more better ? Not , I run it in other VirtualHost as Linux +Apache . It work well, just cost less than 1 second . and in My local machine it use more than 10second , as profile 20 second with xdebug ! Why? the answer is my program use greates of Regular Expressions , so DreamHost found it cost too more CPU and stop my program. Windows not stop it but run it cost more time compare with Linux . who want to know the detail can write to my gmail. and Tagfeather is a good work hosted in google code but sorry just has Chinese document. I write a Template Engine by PHP call TagFeather. and, run it in Linux+Apache( DreamHost ).
It Crash!
But In My local develop machine as Windows XP + Apache , It Work.

it’s Windows is more better ? Not , I run it in other VirtualHost as Linux +Apache . It work well, just cost less than 1 second . and in My local machine it use more than 10second , as profile 20 second with xdebug !

Why? the answer is my program use greates of Regular Expressions , so DreamHost found it cost too more CPU and stop my program. Windows not stop it but run it cost more time compare with Linux .

who want to know the detail can write to my gmail. and Tagfeather is a good work hosted in google code but sorry just has Chinese document.

]]> By: Cal Evans http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65166 Cal Evans Thu, 14 May 2009 01:31:53 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65166 Hi Gerry, You, men and a bunch of other folks probably aren't interested in running Windows servers and there's not much they can do about that in the near term. As I said, I'm not even considering moving to a Windows server or even deploying one for testing on the Internet. However, there are companies that have a huge investment in Windows infrastructure. Thanks to the efforts of <a href="http://zend.com" rel="nofollow">Zend</a> and <a href="http://microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Microsoft</a>, <a href="http://php.net" rel="nofollow">PHP</a> now runs well on Windows and these companies can start to explore PHP as a development language. This is important to the PHP community because if these companies start looking seriously *at* PHP, they will start looking seriously *for* PHP developers. Now, maybe you don't want to work in an MS shop.; that’s ok, neither do I. However, there are 4.6 million PHP developers worldwide; I'm guessing there are some that would jump at the chance. Along the same vein, I have no interest in working for an IBM i5 shop. (or whatever the heck they call it this week, it changes names faster than <a href="http://www.zend.com/en/products/platform/" rel="nofollow">Zend Platform</a>) The fact that IBM and Zend worked hard to get PHP on i5 means that there are more opportunities than ever for PHP developers. So I don’t blame you if you don’t want to run Windows as a server platform, it’s not what you need. However, don’t begrudge those who do want to run it. It may be just what they need to get PHP introduced into their shop. Thanks for the comment! =C= Hi Gerry,
You, men and a bunch of other folks probably aren’t interested in running Windows servers and there’s not much they can do about that in the near term. As I said, I’m not even considering moving to a Windows server or even deploying one for testing on the Internet. However, there are companies that have a huge investment in Windows infrastructure. Thanks to the efforts of Zend and Microsoft, PHP now runs well on Windows and these companies can start to explore PHP as a development language.

This is important to the PHP community because if these companies start looking seriously *at* PHP, they will start looking seriously *for* PHP developers.

Now, maybe you don’t want to work in an MS shop.; that’s ok, neither do I. However, there are 4.6 million PHP developers worldwide; I’m guessing there are some that would jump at the chance. Along the same vein, I have no interest in working for an IBM i5 shop. (or whatever the heck they call it this week, it changes names faster than Zend Platform) The fact that IBM and Zend worked hard to get PHP on i5 means that there are more opportunities than ever for PHP developers.

So I don’t blame you if you don’t want to run Windows as a server platform, it’s not what you need. However, don’t begrudge those who do want to run it. It may be just what they need to get PHP introduced into their shop.

Thanks for the comment!
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]]> By: Gerry http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65128 Gerry Thu, 07 May 2009 05:43:33 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65128 Ok so PHP works on windows, so what? Microsoft is finally serious about PHP, wow, all that proves is how behind they always are! Why the heck would I want to run it on windows? I battled with windows desktop OS for 14 years and only recently saw the light. Why the heck would I want to put myself through all that again? A closed system impedes development on that system and just makes everything so much harder than it needs to be, I know that now. So if you're only argument for running PHP on Windows is that it's possible to do so, then I will rightly laugh the idea and then ignore you. Ok so PHP works on windows, so what? Microsoft is finally serious about PHP, wow, all that proves is how behind they always are! Why the heck would I want to run it on windows? I battled with windows desktop OS for 14 years and only recently saw the light. Why the heck would I want to put myself through all that again? A closed system impedes development on that system and just makes everything so much harder than it needs to be, I know that now. So if you’re only argument for running PHP on Windows is that it’s possible to do so, then I will rightly laugh the idea and then ignore you.

]]> By: Daniel Egeberg http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65123 Daniel Egeberg Wed, 06 May 2009 20:58:59 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65123 Cal, If you're interested in Microsoft and PHP, then you might want to know that we're running Q&A sessions with employees from the Microsoft Open Source Technology Center on PHP Freaks. http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/board,112.0.html http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,247098.0.html Cal,

If you’re interested in Microsoft and PHP, then you might want to know that we’re running Q&A sessions with employees from the Microsoft Open Source Technology Center on PHP Freaks.
http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/board,112.0.html
http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,247098.0.html

]]> By: Cal Evans’ Blog: Microsoft and PHP | Cole Design Studios http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65120 Cal Evans’ Blog: Microsoft and PHP | Cole Design Studios Wed, 06 May 2009 17:22:30 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65120 [...] some of his research into PHP and Windows recently, Cal Evans has come across two surprising things about the (usually dismissed) combination of the [...] [...] some of his research into PHP and Windows recently, Cal Evans has come across two surprising things about the (usually dismissed) combination of the [...]

]]> By: Pierre http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65119 Pierre Wed, 06 May 2009 16:28:34 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65119 It would be interesting to see who choose linux for stability rather than performance. Stability and performance are two different topic :) It would be interesting to see who choose linux for stability rather than performance. Stability and performance are two different topic :)

]]> By: Tom Jowitt http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65118 Tom Jowitt Wed, 06 May 2009 15:43:40 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65118 @Rob "The biggest pain is the lack of bach, rsync and ssh as all our standard scripts don’t work :)" This is precisely the reason I find it very difficult to work on Windows machines. The Linux command line is my number one tool and I would be well a truly lost without vim, ssh and rsync. @Rob “The biggest pain is the lack of bach, rsync and ssh as all our standard scripts don’t work :)”

This is precisely the reason I find it very difficult to work on Windows machines. The Linux command line is my number one tool and I would be well a truly lost without vim, ssh and rsync.

]]> By: Rob... http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65115 Rob... Wed, 06 May 2009 07:15:36 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65115 Of our top 5 customers, 2 have IT departments that are MS shops. That we could run on their current Windows Server & SQL Server infrastructure helped us win the business. Win 2K3 at the moment, but I'm expecting a migration to Win2K8 in the next 12 months or so. The biggest pain is the lack of bach, rsync and ssh as all our standard scripts don't work :) To my mind, the fact that PHP runs well on Windows and *nix and connects to all databases is a competitive advantage and we leverage this in our pitches. Regards, Rob... Of our top 5 customers, 2 have IT departments that are MS shops. That we could run on their current Windows Server & SQL Server infrastructure helped us win the business. Win 2K3 at the moment, but I’m expecting a migration to Win2K8 in the next 12 months or so. The biggest pain is the lack of bach, rsync and ssh as all our standard scripts don’t work :)

To my mind, the fact that PHP runs well on Windows and *nix and connects to all databases is a competitive advantage and we leverage this in our pitches.

Regards,

Rob…

]]> By: Cal Evans http://blog.calevans.com/2009/05/05/microsoft-and-php/comment-page-1/#comment-65112 Cal Evans Wed, 06 May 2009 02:48:19 +0000 http://blog.calevans.com/?p=555#comment-65112 Ellis, I'm not yet to the point where I would run a Windows box in production on the Internet. However, for intranet applications, I can't see a good reason to install Linux or even Apache on a Windows box these days. It's stable and my one test, WordPress, works great. I'm sure as things improve, so will my attitude towards deploying WS08 on the Internet. Right now I'm sure a big part of my hesitation is that 8 years on Linux means that I know how to get things done on it. WS08 is a different beast. :) Thanks for the comment! =C= Ellis,

I’m not yet to the point where I would run a Windows box in production on the Internet. However, for intranet applications, I can’t see a good reason to install Linux or even Apache on a Windows box these days. It’s stable and my one test, WordPress, works great.

I’m sure as things improve, so will my attitude towards deploying WS08 on the Internet. Right now I’m sure a big part of my hesitation is that 8 years on Linux means that I know how to get things done on it. WS08 is a different beast. :)

Thanks for the comment!

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